313. Empowering Lives with Purpose, Interview with Donna Clare

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Eating disorders and self harm are struggles of the flesh that many in this world deal with. Today’s guest, our sister Woman World Leader Donna Clare from the UK, shares her personal testimony about battling a dependency, which God has so graciously freed her from.   May Donna’s spoken testimony be an inspiration of hope and encouragement to others who face life’s challenges and who are looking for a way to overcome. With God all things are possible!   ***  

Kimberly Hobbs  

Welcome to Empowering Lives with Purpose, and I am your host, Kimberly Hobbs. I’m the founder of Women World Leaders. Ladies, we are so happy that you decided to join us today. And I’d like to welcome our guest today. Donna Claire.

Donna Clare   Hi. Good to be with you all.

Kimberly Hobbs   Hi, Donna, we are so glad that you’ve joined us all the way from the UK, the United Kingdom. Ooh. So, ladies, what we like to do here and empowering lives with purpose is just that we are here to strengthen, inspire and encourage you and your walked with with the Lord Jesus Christ. And we are here to help with stories and different things that some of the guests come on and share. God says every believer has received grace gifts. So use them to serve one another as faithful stewards of the many color tapestry of God’s grace. That’s First Peter 4:10. And I thought that was such a beautiful verse to share that we all have different gifts, and we’re encouraged by the Lord to share those grace gifts that he has so graciously given. So ladies, you have a purpose. God has a purpose and a plan for your life. We are glad you’re here. And we’re hoping that through sharing, sharing different stories from different women around the world, that you can be sparked into thinking about what it is that God has ordained for your life. So I want to share a little bit about our guest today, Donna, she’s single, she works as a teaching and learning assistant in a primary school. And her degree is in theatre studies and writing performances, which is super exciting. Her passion is to write plays and scripts and bring glory to God. I admire that that’s beautiful. We can do it for all other reasons. But you do it to bring glory to God, Donna, she sings in the worship team and is in Gospel Choir. She loves nature. And when she isn’t singing, acting and dancing, she loves walking in nature. So ladies, before we begin, please remember that we’re all women who are known by our Creator, God knows each of us in our own beautiful way because He created us or his masterpiece. And some of us have overcome tremendous challenges, heavy struggles, and some of us are still in the midst of pain and struggling and suffering. And then there are those of us who will speak life into others and empower them. We are all just ordinary women. And we are called by God to do extraordinary things. And each of us has the ability to do extraordinary things. So our guest today from the UK is a woman world leader. In fact, she is part of her women World Leaders Group. And God put a nudge in Donna’s heart to share with us so she reached out to me and asking if it would be possible to share her story. So as I got to know Donna a little bit, I felt God’s prompting to allow her to share her story today. And Donald’s Dona has struggled with eating disorder with an eating disorder and also self harm. And God says Colin, me when you are in trouble, and I will rescue you, and you will give me glory that song 5015 And you know what, as I got to know Donna, I thought wow, God, this verse is amazing because you rescue Donna from self harm you rescue Donna from this eating disorder. And now she wants to declare that she wants to give God the glory. And I said yes, please come on and share. Let’s talk about this. So I’m Donna, can you share a bit about you and who you are and your story with the ladies?

Donna Clare   Yes, of course. So I from a very young age, I was bullied at school and at primary school and then when I went to secondary school, I was also bullied. And then when I got to secondary school, it was more than one person. So I started to think well There’s got to be something wrong with me. Because all these people can’t be wrong. And there’s something wrong with me there’s got to be an I just started to really hate who I was, I hated everything about myself. I, I really just, I was feeling sad, I didn’t share a lot of the time with anyone that I was being bullied, I kept it all inside. And I, I then it was, I think I was in about year eight, which is like 12 year olds 12 to 13 year olds, and my friend lent me a pair of her jeans to go to a disco with, but they didn’t fit me. And in my head, that was I’m fat, I need to lose weight, not I’m a different body shape to her, which now in hindsight, I can see we were just different body shapes, I wasn’t going to fit in those jeans. But in my head, it was I’m fat, I need to lose weight. So and at the roundabout at the same time, I had some family issues going on. And there was like family arguments. And I blame myself and I know that was one of the triggers to get in the eating disorder. So I then started to cut out things like chocolate crisps, chips, the things that you know, like with fattening and then gradually, I started to skip meals, so I became anorexic, I will try and avoid food as much as, excuse me as much as I could. I, I just I had this relationship with food that I didn’t deserve it I didn’t deserve to eat, I wasn’t good enough, I was a waste of space, what was the point of me being on this planet, I, I had all these thoughts swirling around in my head that I shouldn’t eat, I didn’t deserve it, I was bad. And then some people started to see that I was not eating as much. So they decided that they would try and help me by force feeding me, which was one of the worst things they could have done because then I started to make myself sick. So because they were making me when I didn’t want to because they were controlling me and my eating disorder, the eating disorder was about control. So I wanted to control something because everything, I couldn’t control the bullies, I couldn’t control what was happening in my family. I couldn’t control anything else, but I could control what I ate. So I decided that I would control my food. So when these people they were trying to help. And I don’t begrudge them that they were worried about me, but they sort of made it worse because they made I didn’t have the control anymore. And I really couldn’t handle having food. If I felt full I couldn’t handle it. I just felt disgusting inside. So I then started to make myself sick. And then yeah, I just felt like I needed punishment that I was wrong. There’s got to be something wrong with me if I lose weight, maybe people are like me more. And and also I did like not just the the the eating disorder it was I would cut myself I would pull my hair, I would hit myself, I would bite myself, I would take my nails and anything I could do to hurt me. And I would do like I really, I was hurting inside had so much pain inside. I didn’t know how to express that. And the only thing I could do was to hurt myself. And when I hurt myself, like all the frustration and anger went away, he sort of helped me to

Yeah, just helped me to get all the feelings inside because I just used to stuff all the feelings inside. And so that’s why I used to hurt myself as well. And yeah, I just I tried to avoid food whenever I could, I’d say oh, I’ve eaten I don’t need to have dinner, I’ve already had something to eat. I would go in even going out for me it was traumatic because I felt like everyone was looking at me. So I would think everyone was looking at me saying why is she eating she’s big enough. She doesn’t need to eat. And, and I wasn’t I obviously wasn’t big at all. But in my head I was so it’s like a distorted image. What Pete other people would see and what is in the mirror is not what I see, or what I saw. I just saw this really massive person. So yeah, I just I really hated myself. That’s all I can say. I just felt disgusting. I didn’t feel like I was loved. I didn’t feel like I felt like if I wasn’t here nor there. It wouldn’t matter to anyone. They wouldn’t care if I wasn’t here. And I just felt really like alone. And on my own and like I couldn’t share it with only one and and like, like the voices in my head would tell me I wasn’t good enough. And then they would say oh, you can’t eat so like for an example it would be like oh, you can’t eat that food if you eat that you need to get rid of it. And then when when I did if I did get rid of it by making myself sick, the voice would then say You’re disgusting. You can’t show anyone with that. Look at you now you’re even worse than you were before. And it was just like these tormenting thoughts all the time that would like invade my mind and would really Yeah, just make me feel really horrible. I just hated everything about myself. Every single thing I couldn’t give you a positive at that point in my life. Because it just felt I was so wrong and like I needed punishment. So yeah,

Kimberly Hobbs   This was through your childhood years into your teen years.

Donna Clare   Yeah, to and then to my early 20s. So when I was at university as well, so it was So, yeah, it was from about, I started with the eating disorder when I was about 13. And but the other sort of self harm stuff I’d been doing from probably the age of 910. Just because I just, I felt shame, I felt disgusting. And I was abused as a child by other children as well. So that’s a factor. So I was I had, I didn’t know it was shame at the time, as a child, I just had this just felt wrong. I just felt like, everything was everything was wrong about me, and I was hideous, is the way I can describe it. If I just hated everything about myself, I had no self worth, or anything, I just hated who I was. And I controlled everything by my food, because I wanted control because I felt everything. And everyone was controlling me. And I needed control. So I will say when I when I won’t eat, and no one can take that control away from me. So that was yeah, that was that was that was my, my childhood. But in another sense, it sounds really, really bad. All of that. But in another sense, I had, like, I did have friends who were good friends. And then you know, there’s some of my childhood was good in the sense. But inside, I just hated myself, I was good at wearing a mask. So a lot of people wouldn’t know, there was anything wrong, because I could I could turn it on if that makes sense. I could. Yes, yeah. I’m fine. Nothing wrong with me. I’m fine.

Kimberly Hobbs   The counterfeit Donna.  Yes, you’re pleasing everyone else. And but inside, this was your way of controlling what what happened with you and what you did and what you allowed and not allowed in those quiet places. So, you know, I I know your story. And I just want you to share with the listeners how, as you developed into, you know, a teenager and then into your young 20s This had such a clench on you this this horrible addiction, you know, like, we’re gonna call that that addiction where your mind you know, you you were controlled in your mind by something else other than the Spirit of the Lord, and letting our sinful nature control our mind leads to death, and you are on that path to death. But letting the spirit control your mind leads to life in peace. That’s Romans eight, verse six. So let loose and let us know how God freed you. Because the Lord says, Who the sun sets free is free indeed, if you if the sun sets you free, you are truly free. That’s John 836. Donna, I know dear that you are free. Let’s hear how that happened.

Donna Clare   So in my final year at university, I met a lady who was on a teacher training for the theater course. And I would choose to ask him to get poorly. So she got ill. And so she took over and invited me on a holiday. So I went to Italy with 30 people I didn’t know. And I said yes, because I’ve never flown on a plane before at this point. And I just thought this would be my graduation presents for myself. And unbeknown to me at the time, probably about 70% of those people were Christians. And I didn’t know. And so I was on the holiday, everything was fine. Then when we came back, we had a post holiday get together. And it was on a Sunday. And the couple he was driving, we said you don’t have to come to church, you know, we’re not gonna force you to come to church, you can sit in Barbara’s house, if you like. And I was like, Barbara had a lot of animals at the time. So I said, No, I’ll come to church. It’s okay. So the only way I can describe it is the moment I walked through the doors of the church, I felt like I’ve gone home. And I, to this day, I don’t know what the people just loved me. People were hugging me, which I was like, Who are these people? And they will they loved me and accepted me. So I went on a journey of asking questions. And then in the February 2003, I remember it very well. I decided that I believe this Jesus is real. So I took communion for the first time. And then in the June 2003, I got baptized, first of June 2003. That will be 18 years ago, in June this year, best decision I ever made in my whole life. So I was still struggling. And some of the people because on the holiday I’d actually collapsed twice. I’d collapsed on the holiday twice as some of them had an idea because one of them was a nurse and she was like you need to get help. And I was like, I’m fine. But then so I started my journey and God took me out of my church actually in the September and I got a job with a Christian Theatre Company. Wow. And I told primary schools around the country and I I remember this well, we will perform and part of the show in the church service. And they had to in the morning because it was a big church. And in the second in the first service, the agenda, the pastor said, there are people in this room with strongholds in their life. And God is saying to you that today, you need to give him those strongholds. And I just went back to me, I need to give the eating disorder to God and said, You need to clench your fist. And when you let go, you’ve given the stronghold to God. So I did. And I clench my fist, and I went, you can have it and I had, I was running up and down the aisles, because I just felt this weight had been lifted off my shoulders. Yeah, it was amazing. And then some of my church family have come to support me in the second one. So I was like, I’ve given the eating disorder to God, I’ve given the eating disorder to God, and they were like, hallelujah, we’ve been praying for this is so good. And then obviously, it was a journey. So it took, it was a long journey took probably about 655, or six years for me to be completely free. And maybe maybe less than that, actually. But I went on a journey. And I had to trust God. So one of the scriptures, one of one of the psalms that really helped me was Psalm 139. That wherever I go, whatever I’m doing, God is with me, that even when I go like into when I feel like I’m in the darkness, darkness isn’t dark to God, it’s still light. And I’m fearfully and wonderfully made. And God knows when I stand when I sit is fashion to me in my mother’s womb, He knows every detail of my life. And it really helped me to know actually, God sees me, God knows me, I do matter. Because obviously, at that point, I felt like I was worthless. And these people in my church family are so loving and caring, I just felt so accepted by them, which was unknown to me before then, because I’ve been rejected so many times and bullied, I just, that’s what drew me to the church because they loved me and accepting me for who I was. And then obviously, Jesus because He saved me, He died for me. Yeah, and I was journeying through, and I it was, it was difficult. It helped to actually been away from home because I was away from home initially, because I was with the theater company for a couple of months. And my church when they were praying for me at home, I, it was like, once, one step forward, two steps back, because I just started the journey. And there were good days and bad days, but I kept focusing on God, I kept crying out to him praying and spending time with him, you know, worshipping Him because there’s power in worship because I felt bad and worship. And, and then I remember, I was just so struggling. And I had fear in my life as well, because I was afraid to eat, you know, I had all this fear. And I remember my one of my friends speaking down the phone to me, Joshua one, verse nine, have I not commanded you? Do not be afraid, do not be discouraged for the Lord, your God will be with you wherever you go. And I was like, okay, where I need to be.

Unknown Speaker   So we do not need to fear. So yeah, I did. I did. It was it was it was crazy. It was like a crazy time, but it was a good time. And I was so like, on fire for God. So I wanted to share and I wanted to help everybody. But I wasn’t at that point, I realized I wasn’t ready. So I, I worked with another group in the theatre company the next year. So in 2004, and it was, there was another girl who was in my team, and she was actually struggling to she had an eating disorder. And she was talking to me and I was trying to help her. And the family I live with actually said to me, I don’t know, I’ve never seen you so stressed before. And I went backwards. It was dragging me back because I was only on my recovery journey. Like knew it was only six months, so I wasn’t ready to help someone else I needed to get me Well, first I needed to be healed work fully for like healed and restored before I could help someone else and that and that was hard. That was one of the hardest times it was like God, have you left? And he’s like, No, I told you I would never leave you and one of the verses, a key verse that I still have uneasy, particularly in the Amplified Version I love it is Hebrews 13 Verse five, and it’s the second part and I will not in any way fail, you know, give up on you know, I’ll leave you without support I will not and he says this three times, I will not I will not in any degree leave you without help, or forsake, you know, let you down or release my hold on you. And that’s been one of the key verses as well, like God is not going to fail me. It’s okay that if I make mistakes, or something else I’ve learned it’s okay to make mistakes. It’s okay to have blips as long as I run to God, and not anybody else. I run away from him, but run to him and just calmly say, God, I’m sorry, please help me. Help me cope. I know. Oh, yeah. So that was a tough section. But then I just I just kept going. We’ve got I just I had to trust I had to learn to trust God and another verse that has come that has been a key was proverbs three verse five, trusting the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding in all your ways acknowledge Him, He will make your paths straight. I took I took deep into into God and I, yeah, he freed me freed me. You freed me from some of the self harm was straight away, like I stopped cutting myself straight away when I became a Christian because I felt like I was quoting Jesus. Yeah, the other stuff like that hurt to myself by hitting myself. I, because it was a habit, because I’ve done it for so long. It took it took years to like, become free from that. God did it in layers. And this is this is something God had to do it in layers. God couldn’t take the eating disorder and the self harm away from me, just like that. He had to do it. Layer by layer, like an onion is a layer like layer by layer, because it was my whole identity was on centered around the anorexia and the self harm. So we had to do it layer by layer. So we do a layer, I’d become free and it was amazing. And then when I was ready, and strongly go right now we need to deal with this. It’ll be like once I thought we’ve done everything. He’s like, No, we’ve got you’ve got to go deeper. So we eat just he’s been doing it layer by layer by layer, and I can honestly tell you today, I love who God’s made me. I’m free, completely free. And God did it. Oh, it was nothing to do with me. He did it all. And I’m free. I love him. He’s made me to be I’m not a people pleaser anymore. I please God and God alone, I’ve learned. I’ve learned to not be a perfectionist, because of part of the journey. I was a perfectionist. And if it wasn’t the best, it was not good enough. And so God has taught me that actually, my best is good enough if I do my best for him. And if I give everything is good, you know, and it doesn’t have to be perfect, because Jesus is the only one who’s perfect. So I don’t need Yeah, I don’t. I don’t need.

Kimberly Hobbs   Then I love I love how you’re testifying. And one of those verses that you when you were sharing, and Hebrews, I wanted to just tagline on that. Ladies, when you are afraid when you are struggling, and you’re so intense in the midst of that struggle, and fear takes over. God says don’t be afraid or discouraged, for the Lord will personally go ahead of you. He will be with you, he will neither fail you or abandon you. And just like you said, Donna, and your scripture, he said it three times that he’s never going to leave you. So ladies, you are never alone through your struggle, you have to understand that and the way that you will is by getting in the Word of God and reading his truth in that word. Donna, one thing that you shared with me in one of our other conversations prior to today was you said that, you know, when people think that they’re trying to help you by trying to force you to eat, you know, like, they’re, they want to help, they just want to help, but they don’t necessarily know what the best help is. Can you talk about some of your feelings during that time when people were saying, you know, trying to force food on you? And what were you going through then?

Donna Clare   What was happening was that what are you doing, you shouldn’t be eating this is I’ve told you, it’s better not to eat. Otherwise, you’ve got consequences that you’ll have to pay. So I just I felt I felt disgusting. I felt like they were trying to hurt me in a way because they were taking the control away from me. So I felt like I felt like in despair like you, you don’t understand what’s going on. In my mind. You can’t hear what’s going on in my mind. If I if I eat, I’m gonna have to punish myself later. That’s basically what was going to happen. So it was just a complete despair. It was complete. I was like, screaming inside. But for me, because I was before I was a Christian. I was quite shy and timid as well. So I wouldn’t really speak up for myself in certain situations, I would just accept what was going on and be quiet because I felt that was better because if I spoke I didn’t feel like my words. Were good enough. You know, I mean, so I so I just I just accepted, but I was screaming inside I tried to run away. And I couldn’t do that. So the only way you think I could do was like, go off and make myself sick. Oh, like I probably wouldn’t. I think I would have hurt myself later on. Like, because I had all the feelings inside. Like, I was angry because they were taking control away from me. I felt hurt because they didn’t understand me. It was just really emphasizing that actually. Nobody gets me nobody understands me. I am on my own. I’m all alone, and no one’s gonna help me. But that’s what I was feeling. Right.

Kimberly Hobbs   So those that are listening may you know that because they’re they’re feeling sympathetic right now. And of course, you know those that loved you, Donna, they just wanted to get you to eat because they they felt you needed that nutrition that would help you that you know, but they weren’t being sensitive to what you were going through. But the Bible just tells us, you know what we need to do. When we sense there’s a problem. You know, the apostle Paul says, I urge you, first of all, to pray, to pray for all people, and to ask God to help them and intercede on their behalf and give thanks for them. The power of prayer is huge. And so when we see these issues, yes, you know, we need to be aware of them. And we need to know that there are places to go for help. But start praying, asking God for wisdom to point them in the right direction for help. Don’t necessarily try to take the bull by the horns and do it yourself, you know, do what God tells us to do, do our part and pray for that person, and start looking for places that they can get help.

Donna Clare   Definitely power of prayer. People were praying for me even I didn’t know at the time because I’ve just become a Christian, but people were praying for me. So yeah, it’s something I just want to say as well. an eating disorder is not about food. That’s a symptom. There’s lots of root issues and causes why someone has an eating disorder. So trying to make the me interested, always eat that you only have to wait. And that’s fine, because that’s not the main issue. Really, there’s other underlying issues that may be going on for you. Just to get them help and pray what they need, and you can’t help someone with an eating disorder until they accept that they need help themselves as well. So that’s where you need to pray. Because when you pray, finally, they will see that and God will help them to see that. That’s right.

Kimberly Hobbs   That’s right. And if you are one that is struggling in this area, it is so important to stay in the presence of God because He tells us in His Word, he’s never going to leave you or forsake you. We share those Scriptures with you. But he says that, remember, I will be your God throughout your lifetime. He’s, he’s there for you all the time. You want to keep him in your presence. You want to talk to him. And don’t ever question His promises to you. Because God’s ways are perfect. All the Lord’s promises are true. And he is a shield for all who looked to him for protection. So when you are afraid, you look to the Lord for your protection and know that he’s there searching the scriptures. Ask him for scriptures that’s going to help you right just like you did, Donna, he gave you tremendous scriptures that you can, that you can rely on the Word of God is alive and powerful. It’s sharper than any two edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit between joint and Morrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and dreams. That’s Hebrews 412. The word of God is powerful ladies, it is so important. And I know that Donna through talking with her, she has relied on so many scriptures. And can you share your very special verse with us the one that you relied on most through your struggles? Donna?

Donna Clare   I think well what I shared earlier, Hebrews 13, verse five is one. But then the other one is two Timothy one, verse seven, For God did not give us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind. And that was another one that was given to me. And I was like, Yes, God didn’t give me a spirit of prayer. I can do this. Be confident in the Lord.

Kimberly Hobbs   Amen. So ladies, God knows your name. He’s never gonna abandon those who search for him. And he understands your pain. So just as Donna has expressed a desire to come on and share her story and bring it out in the open, a revelation 1211 says that they have defeated him, defeated him which is the enemy by the blood of the Lamb, and the word of their testimony. And so Donna is here to testify of what the Lord has done in her life and know that the enemy is defeated. He sent back to the pit of hell where he belongs. And she can share this and declare this by the word of her testimony and we are so grateful that you have decided to come on share today about your testimony Donna which is fabulous and God is using you exceedingly abundantly beyond And I know and what you’re doing right now in you’re acting, and you’re writing, and you’re performing. And I know you’re doing some videos on, on Facebook. And you can find Donna and Donna Claire. And that’s clear C L A. R E, and she talks about this on her Facebook page, she’s creating awareness, and she’s pushing people to the Lord Jesus Christ, you know, because that is where our true help is going to come from. And Don, I know you wanted to leave the ladies, just with that just shot in the arm, that encouragement of what they can do, you know? So what is that that one, as we close up here that one? Helpful, you know, leave them with this memory is going to be

Donna Clare   That you’re fearfully and wonderfully made. You’re not a mistake, you were fashioned by God just to be who you are. So embrace who you are, love yourself for who God has made you. And know that he doesn’t make mistakes that he’s fashioned you perfectly of how he wanted to make you. So love yourself and know that you are not wrong, that you are right, and just embrace who you are, and go and glorify God and be who was created because

Kimberly Hobbs   That’s beautiful. Amen. And you are doing just that. And we are just so proud of you. We are so thankful that we have done a Claire’s in this world that could share openly sometimes it’s difficult, you know, to be transparent about the things that you deal with in your life. But there’s others out there that will relate that well know that you know, wow, somebody else is going through something I’m going through or has been through something I’ve been through, and how important it is to verbalize God tells us to do that. You know that we defeat the enemy, by the blood of the lamb which Donna has accepted Jesus as her personal Lord and Savior. Amen. And by the word of her testimony, she is sharing loud and clear that it wasn’t anything of her control that allowed her to get better. It was releasing and surrendering all to Jesus. And by doing that, and allowing him to come in, through all the ways that God will come to your rescue if we allow him if we allow him entrance, he comes in. So I am just feeling that at this moment that if there is anybody out there that’s listening, that doesn’t have a personal relationship with Jesus, Donna and I, we just encourage you to surrender it all to him. Give your your hearts give your pain, give it all to Jesus. And the way you can ask Him into your heart is through confessing with your mouth that says, confession is made unto salvation. So if you confess the Lord Jesus and believe in his heart, your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. So I’d like to just pray really quick. And if you would like to pray along with Donna and I, and accept Jesus into your heart, that would be wonderful. That’s where it starts. And then you’re gonna just start reading the Word of God because there is power, transforming power in the Word. So let’s pray. Ladies, Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I’m a sinner. And I know that there is no other way to heaven, but by the blood of Jesus that was shed on the cross for my sins. Lord, I believe that I can’t do anything by my own power God, but it’s going to be by the power of the blood of the lamb that saves my soul. So right now, I confess my sins to you, Lord Jesus, and I know I’m not perfect and I know I fall short. Please, God, forgive my sins, cleanse me from all of my unrighteous behavior, Lord, come into my heart and be my Lord and Savior. I trust you, God, I release all other control over my life. Any chains that have held me down God, anything that has bound me, I release it all by the blood of Jesus Christ who died for my sins. Please come into my heart. Please be my Lord and Savior. Please show me scriptures God that will help me that will put me on the right path to follow you and surrender my life. Thank you, Lord Jesus. I trust in you right now with all my heart in Jesus name. Amen. Amen.

Amen. If you have prayed that prayer ladies along with us for the first time, we want to hear from you too. We want to encourage you and I know Donna is available her. Her Facebook page is Donna Claire CLA R E. Or you can go to our website, women world leaders.com. We have areas there where you can pray, submit a prayer request, and we’ll pray with you. We have all kinds of helpful tools at women world leaders where we would love to share them with you. One of them is courageous steps of faith. Ladies, this book is phenomenal. It is so many women that have taken those courageous steps of faith, to walk away from something like addiction or unforgiveness or there’s so many things in this book, and they have walked toward the Lord Jesus Christ by those courageous steps of faith similar to Diana’s story. And so ladies, you can get this courageous steps of faith on our women world leaders website or on Amazon. It’s available Barnes and Noble. Another tool that we have to encourage you, strengthen you and your walk is voice of truth magazine, ladies, it’s a free magazine that comes out every other month. It’s amazing what God is doing. Women are sharing their stories, women are encouraging you and empowering you to walk in the name of Jesus, walk with us ladies, if you want your free copy of voice of truth magazine, go to info at women world leaders info at women world leaders.com And leave us your name, your address and your email address because we send it out digitally. And we send it out printed copy in the United States. So if you’re outside the US, it’s going to be digital only. So be sure to leave us your email info at women world leaders.com. And ladies take advantage please have the the tools that we have at women world leaders visit our website women world leaders.com And just skim through that and see all that’s available to you know that we have podcasts Monday, Wednesday and Fridays. And you can get those access them by women world leaders podcast, women world leaders podcast. So Donna, thank you so much honey for sharing, saying hello to the ladies and sharing your story. Ladies, we have to close right now. So from his heart to yours. We are women world leaders. All content is copyrighted and cannot be used without expressed written consent. God bless you all and have a wonderful day.